Women want to follow your lead: a story about a woman presenting two ways

When the man leads, the woman will often follow

(2017)

Years ago I dated this average-but-pretty woman, and I slowly introduced her to sex-positive culture and sex parties. When we first started dating she presented an average relationship and sex history. Over the course of a month or two I got her to go to a sex party with me and then eventually to swap partners. That was hard for her at first, and about half of women I've gotten to do this find it initially hard, while about half are pretty curious to try it out (contrary to some of the manosphere descriptions). Over time she became more sex-positive. In her rhetoric and actions she began to favor of group sex and consensual non-monogamy… when she was around me and my like-minded friends.

Things soured between us because I wouldn't move in with her and refused to make a long-term commitment. A long time ago I decided that cohabitation is not for me, and refusing the "next steps" has probably been the end of my last 10 - 15 short- to medium-term relationships. Most women have their own dating timeline and it moves from meeting to kissing to casual sex to deep sex to moving in, marrying, and children.

My timeline stops at deep sex and most women will break up with me when I tell them after a couple months that there is no "next" step to the relationship. It is possible to lie and let women dangle for long periods of time, but I think it's mean, deceptive, and hurts both the woman and the guy telling the lie. Women also have tight reproductive timelines and for women over the age of 30, really 27, it's cruel to let them invest years of their reproductive prime in a relationship that isn't going anywhere. Catch and release women who want families. As a man, part of your job is to make women better.

Plus, if you let a woman age 30+ invest years of her reproductive prime in you, don't be surprised if she takes matters into her own hands and "forgets" to take her birth control. Or she gets her IUD out and doesn't have it replaced.

You may argue that that's unethical. I agree… it's also unethical and cruel to let a woman invest years of her reproductive prime at age 30+ in a relationship that won't lead to kids. Yes, she should "know better," but so should you. Have fun with her for a couple months, then be straightforward about being a player and not wanting kids (or kids with her).

I did like this woman and her p***y. Like a lot of women who breakup for timeline issues, we did keep hooking up for a while. In these situations it's common for the woman to find another guy, date him, break up with him, and come back for more sex.

I don't think any of her friends totally knew what we were up to, although some could read between the lines when they'd ask what we were doing and I'd say things like, "Going to a party," and when they'd ask if they could come, I'd explain that I'm not sure it was for them and that I wasn't the host. If you do this kinda shit with a smile you can get away with it. Some of them would drunkenly confide their own dark sex desires to me, because they knew I'd keep those desires secret.

Recently this guy I work with acquired a new girlfriend. One night I finally meet her and it's the same one from my story before! Just older. Meeting for her was awkward for her and for him, because we obviously knew each other. I did my usual thing in this circumstance and was like, "Oh hey, hi, I remember Joe's party." Pretty vague. Like I said, women want to fall into your frame and she fell right into mine again, saving face and making sure it's less awkward than it would be otherwise for the guy dating her.

Part of the reason this encounter went more smoothly than it could have is because she knows I don't want to shame her in front of her new man. I don't want to out her. She knows that my sex positivity is real. She acquiesced to taping sex acts that could be viewed as degrading because she knew, correctly, that I would never use those tapes against her.

Some snippets of those tapes are still on the Internet but she’s not identifiable. If you are part of the secret society and really keep the "secret" part of the secret society, good things will happen to you.

I'm 95% sure she's not going to tell the guy she's dating that she's fucked me and fucked a bunch of other guys and gals with me. I'm pretty sure my colleague has a normal frame and worldview about women that does not include understanding that women love sex and will do almost anything for a guy they really want to keep. He couldn't imagine this woman partner-swapping and fucking a guy whose name she doesn't even know while I do the same to his girl. I feel kinda bad for the guy, but it is not my job to wake him up; that is his job. He is a fine guy overall but he presents to women as weak and normal so I'm sure women treat him that way.

He should know or suspect her history, but his mind doesn't want to go there. People can mostly tell which guys are players and which guys are losers who can't get dates, and while I've mostly stopped bringing dates to most company or industry functions, people know. I try to minimize that reputation because it doesn't help me for the most part, but it is not possible to fully hide who you are.

Over time most women will follow your lead. I want to be a hedonistic slut and over time demand that women do the same. Most will. My colleague probably wants women to present as demure and so they probably will present that way. Most people do not actually stand for anything, so they follow the lead of the strongest person they see.

Make 2017 the year you do the s**t you really want to do. Don't let other people tell you how to run your life. It is up to you to create the world you want to live in. The vast majority of the population just goes through other people's ruts and other people's paths.

To quote another writer, "Your woman is pretty much malleable to whatever values or life you to intend to live, if your frame is strong enough." There are exceptions but women respond to authentic frames and want a guy strong enough to graciously and gracefully lead them. If you have that frame a lot becomes possible.

Most women hide their deep sexual desires for fear of being judged by other women and by men. The number who will speak about how they feel or act out their fantasies is small because most women are constrained by the box other women and men put around them. I try to open that box.

Show her what type of man you are so she knows what kinda woman to be.

Someone asked me whether most guys in non-monogamous relationships are secretly or overtly bisexual. I don't think so, and guys who are bi or want to experiment with men can go to any gay bar any night of the week to do so. They don't need to go to a sex club. Gay guys do what straight guys wish they could and have sex all the time. So there's really no need to go through the whole party and club process that straight group sex entails.