The three-date "rule" before sex
Are you making progress? Are you enjoying yourself
Players (and, much more often, wannabes) talk about the three-date "rule" before sex... guys will say, "If you don't have sex by the end of date three, drop her." But this rule is too strict: instead of mindlessly following it, analyze the mindset and experience this "rule" comes from... guys who are used to being taken advantage of. Guys who are probably taking girls on expensive, elaborate dates (like dinners they don’t want really want to do, with girls they don’t adequately know). Those guys worry that the girl is just tooling them for money and attention. If you've presented yourself as a provider guy and are spending $75+ per date... the girl, if her time and attention are low value, might show up just to get free meals... like a squirrel in the back yard will keep showing up to eat birdseed, instead of going through the arduous process of hunting acorns. Smart, functional girls know that nothing valuable is truly "free," but they might like the attention and have nothing else going on, so they are sometimes happy to absorb some male attention, even if it's shitty, low-quality attention.
Too many guys have also heard and internalized stories about fast pulls of hot girls and then think every girl can/should be pulled and f**ked fast... my own stories like this one advance the "girls will f**k fast" narrative. Some girls will, some of the time, but shooting for too-fast sex will burn a lot of girls who are open to a longer seduction. Turning the temperature up too high often burns the food. The good cook knows how to get it right.
"Must get to fast sex" is the wrong mindset and narrative for most guys... Krauser's memoirs, for example, are full of stories about five or more dates before sex... some hot girls need time. Instead of chasing speed, apply some simple tests to the girl and the dates,
Is progress being made?
Do you enjoy spending time with the girl? (If the answer is no, why aren’t you meeting new girls?) Are you excited to write about her in your seducer blog?
Does she seem to be tooling you for value or attention? Some girls are intensely pleasurable to be around, and some girls are a chore whose presence might be okay if that's the road to sex but otherwise have little going for them.
Does the girl herself seem high quality and to justify the investment? For me, a hot and wonderful girl is worth more investment than some marginal girl. I've been known to rumble a marginal 6 who is available, though I wouldn't invest a lot of time and energy in her.
Experience will help you feel out each situation. Mr. V wrote in a tweet that has since been deleted,
+1. Was able to get past LMR this time! Prob worth a lay report to dive deeper/lessons.
Now, imagine a girl breaks up with you, then you fly 8 hours to see her, and the very next day she fucks some other dude...
Last night I was that other dude
Good work Mr. V. Another guy predictably wrote, "Hats off to your patience, I would have given up after 3rd date." And he would have missed the lay.
Mystery's 7 hour rule is an average... some girls can be had in less time, some girls need more. "Progress" will mean different things with each girl, but I'd count something like kissing, making out, touching her body, her touching yours, feeling her responsiveness, etc., as progress. If she's ice cold on the first date and ice cold on the third, roll off and let her go.
If she's running hot and then cooler and then hot again, maybe she's deciding between guys, or has something else going on. Some girls will also be ready to f**k but then get their periods, or get colds, or have something else that gets in the way and interrupts momentum, but, if the guy is patient, it will happen. If the guy throws a fit because she's not willing to f**k on his schedule, she's learned something useful and negative about him.
Clearly each guy should do what he wants to do. Some hot, wonderful girls take longer than others... they have not been my main study, but they can be good. Patience can be good, and some girls have taken a long time and many dates to crack, and I don't regret putting that effort in. I also don't buy into the idea that the longer a guy has to wait, the better the girl is. Some quality girls are horny and want it now, some need to know the guy better and spend more time with him. How fast she goes is not a perfect indicator of how much she likes you. Some girls who are so-so about a guy in the beginning will warm up to him over time.
The quality of girl will also vary with how much energy you put into dating her. I might go for a lower-quality girl who is convenient and available... but I wouldn't put a lot of effort into chasing her.
Some guys have way too many chicks in the air, which is a great and wonderful high-quality problem... not many guys have this problem. Most guys are getting past the girl's filter, not trying to filter out girls. If you're a guy with too many girls who needs to focus only on the "yes" girls, that's a legitimate choice that makes sense for a high-status guy. I've been in this situation, which is wonderful, and I have used sex clubs and consensual non-monogamy as filters.
When I don't have enough time, mental space, and attention for more girls in my life, I'm much more likely to swiftly talk about sex clubs and consensual non-monogamy with girls and see which girls are super interested. As you’d expect, this strategy sets me apart from other guys. It's not an optimal strategy for maximizing lays and girls who like me, but it is a filtering strategy to see which girls are more into me, than they would be to a similar, average guy.
Before a guy spouts off about three-date rules, he should be asking himself where he's at, where the guy he's giving advice to is at, and whether he's talking from his ego, or from his true goals. Does he have an expansive mindset, or a scarcity mindset? Is his life overflowing with fullness, or mostly empty? Where do his views come from?
A lot of guys spout off about fast sex and a low number of dates because they want to show off to other guys and try to look macho, but, if they implement such rules in their real lives, they'll lose girls. I want to get laid, not feed my ego through posturing. Life is short and girls need to be f**ked.
“Most guys are getting past the girl's filter, not trying to filter out girls.” That is really well-said. Take this a little further: most guys should focus on bettering themselves to become an in-demand guy so that they can do the latter rather than hope to get through the former.