We’re going on a double date this weekend with my GF’s friend and her new beau, but the interesting thing was what my girlfriend said about the other guy when she told me the plan. She went out of her way to say that he wasn’t “great looking” because the other couple had met in real life (“IRL”—good for him), and she emphasized that the guys her friend normally matches with on dating apps are “better looking.” She said it in a way that implied this is a general understanding shared by all chicks. To her it’s obvious, like “the sun rises in the east.”
Sep 22, 2023Liked by the red quest, Stephen Marutin
We had a tenant behind our house who was fairly attractive - late 20s, small, fit. A solid 8. She lived there 5 years and never had a boyfriend or anything serious. But the male talent visiting her house was A+. I'm talking guys who looked like Thor - objectively hot male models. These guys were the top 10% in the apps and they were more than willing to drop by on call. But never saw one come back. This poor girl got spoiled, and yes, probably left town saying "there are no good men."
I started cold approach in the mid 2010s, daygame. I’ve done 1,000+ approaches, so I no longer have AA, but I still screw up occasionally. I’m not a “black pill” advocate, but reading the OLD 2+ smv commentary is rough. I’ve had some success, but after a period of years, I reduced effort to only situational approaches. I am probably a “6.5-7” in looks. I had some success, but ultimately I felt like the time investment was pointless. I suspect you only get the good results if you are near model status. I will also say Cold approach drastically improved my awareness for IOIs, so social circle game is a cake-walk comparatively. I have thought of moving abroad to somewhere where the smv is less skewed. Everything seems unsustainable. I am also actively working on my fitness and have accepted the current SMV probably has me dieing alone if I do not live abroad. I live in the Southern US.
Look around at the people you notice in your life and realize that most people wind up with someone +1/-1 looks to them. A 6 winds up with a 5 - 7. A 7 winds up with a 6 - 8.
It's always going to be hard to get girls > +1 SMV above you. Which is why guys online tell you to work on your underlying SMV.
Hard to get girls > +1 SMV... but not impossible. Especially if you've got some unique skills / interests. I have some unusual qualities that girls who are 8+ notice and like.
Appreciate the feedback, and thank you for the honesty of your blog. I have always preferred ugly truths to pretty lies. The truth allows you to try to improve/change your life.
Agreed... it is not impossible for a male 5 / 6, at least by looks, to get a more attractive woman, but usually then there's a bunch of other exceptional stuff about him. He's got a great personality and has started his own company and has great seduction skills. Picasso was an ugly dude who scored with a ton of hot chicks.
Hot chicks are in high demand. The guys who get with them usually have something extraordinary about them, or they have a bunch of ordinary characteristics that are all pretty high, or they happen to luck into the right woman at the right time. Game is of course about commodifying this process as much as possible, https://theredquest.substack.com/p/women-hate-the-demystification-of-romance-commodities-artisans-and-the-game, rather than relying on dumb luck. Dumb luck can sometimes work. Amateurs will beat pros in poker on some hands. The skill is winning more than losing over time.
We had a tenant behind our house who was fairly attractive - late 20s, small, fit. A solid 8. She lived there 5 years and never had a boyfriend or anything serious. But the male talent visiting her house was A+. I'm talking guys who looked like Thor - objectively hot male models. These guys were the top 10% in the apps and they were more than willing to drop by on call. But never saw one come back. This poor girl got spoiled, and yes, probably left town saying "there are no good men."
"Don't listen to what they say, just watch what they do."
"Who they do" in this case...
I started cold approach in the mid 2010s, daygame. I’ve done 1,000+ approaches, so I no longer have AA, but I still screw up occasionally. I’m not a “black pill” advocate, but reading the OLD 2+ smv commentary is rough. I’ve had some success, but after a period of years, I reduced effort to only situational approaches. I am probably a “6.5-7” in looks. I had some success, but ultimately I felt like the time investment was pointless. I suspect you only get the good results if you are near model status. I will also say Cold approach drastically improved my awareness for IOIs, so social circle game is a cake-walk comparatively. I have thought of moving abroad to somewhere where the smv is less skewed. Everything seems unsustainable. I am also actively working on my fitness and have accepted the current SMV probably has me dieing alone if I do not live abroad. I live in the Southern US.
Look around at the people you notice in your life and realize that most people wind up with someone +1/-1 looks to them. A 6 winds up with a 5 - 7. A 7 winds up with a 6 - 8.
Combine that the relative rarity of true 8s, https://theredquest.substack.com/p/garbage-post-about-ranking-chicks
It's always going to be hard to get girls > +1 SMV above you. Which is why guys online tell you to work on your underlying SMV.
Hard to get girls > +1 SMV... but not impossible. Especially if you've got some unique skills / interests. I have some unusual qualities that girls who are 8+ notice and like.
Appreciate the feedback, and thank you for the honesty of your blog. I have always preferred ugly truths to pretty lies. The truth allows you to try to improve/change your life.
Agreed... it is not impossible for a male 5 / 6, at least by looks, to get a more attractive woman, but usually then there's a bunch of other exceptional stuff about him. He's got a great personality and has started his own company and has great seduction skills. Picasso was an ugly dude who scored with a ton of hot chicks.
Hot chicks are in high demand. The guys who get with them usually have something extraordinary about them, or they have a bunch of ordinary characteristics that are all pretty high, or they happen to luck into the right woman at the right time. Game is of course about commodifying this process as much as possible, https://theredquest.substack.com/p/women-hate-the-demystification-of-romance-commodities-artisans-and-the-game, rather than relying on dumb luck. Dumb luck can sometimes work. Amateurs will beat pros in poker on some hands. The skill is winning more than losing over time.